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HOST: Valerie Pringle
GUEST: Dr. Warren Farrell, Author, "Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say"
PRINGLE: Warren Farrell has a new book called "Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say".
What do men need to say?
FARRELL: Lots of things. First of all, we're living in an era now where it's very common for women to earn more than men but it's very rare for women to feel comfortable marrying men who earn less than they do. And so a lot of men feel unlovable. And the women's movement was very good at helping men understand what it's like to be treating women as sex objects but no one has helped men and women understand what it's like to be treating men as success objects.
PRINGLE: But you think the pendulum has really shifted. You say the '50s were sort of a families decade, then men had their time -- or some people would say men have had their time for a long time -- but now that it's time for women and there's almost, man-hating has become institutionalized?
FARRELL: Yes, man-hating is becoming institutionalized. And one of the reasons it is is because in the '60s we started developing a theory. I was on the board of directors of the National Organization for Women in New York City and I was part of the people developing this theory, saying that basically women were oppressed and women were the oppressors. And we didn't understand that women and men, neither sex, historically had power. Both sexes had roles.
So when our grandparents hear us talk about rights, from their perspective the world was not about rights, the world was about...