Donald Trump Is A Constitutionally Elected President Who Believes In America, The Constitution And The Legal System. EPIC City In Plano, Texas

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MARK LEVIN, FOX NEWS CHANNEL HOST, "LIFE, LIBERTY & LEVIN": Hello, America. I am Mark Levin this is LIFE, LIBERTY & LEVIN Sunday. Welcome. I think you're going to find your time well spent tonight.

Charles Payne will be on the program and Douglas Deaton, he has something to tell us about what is going on in Plano, Texas, which is you're not going to believe. So this is a very, very important program, but before you get to our guests, I'm a little sick and tired of hearing day in and day out the media, the Democratic Party and I repeat myself going on and on about Donald Trump is a threat to democracy, and they just keep pushing this propaganda out, they pushed it out in his first term, they pushed it out when he was running for office, they are pushing it out now. These are historic illiterates and propagandists in, and I want to walk you through this.

Let's take a look at some of the greatest presidents or so-called greatest presidents in American history. Some of them really were, and you tell me if Donald Trump has done anything even close to what some of these men did.

Okay, let start the great second President of the United States John Adams, one of the founders of our country who was at the Second Continental Congress with the Declaration of Independence, was intimately involved in the Constitution.

In October of 1799, President Adams of The Federalist jailed the Vermont publisher, Lyon, for criticizing Adams in print, and in front of crowds. Lyon was a sitting member of the House of Representatives when he was put on trial. Wait a minute? What are you talking about, Mark?

The Adams administration charged Lyon under the 1798 Sedition Act, which was a push through Congress by The Federalist and signed by Adams, one is the most controversial laws in American history.

To Adams' supporters, Lyon committed a heinous crime. He wrote President Adams had unbound thirst for ridiculous pomp, foolish adulation, and selfish avarice. Lyon also published a letter from poet, Joel Barlow that criticized Adams and Lyon read the letter out loud at his campaign rallies.

The Sedition Act passed a year before Lyon's was jailed. It specifically targeted Adams' opponents, the Jeffersonian Republicans to suppress dissent and criticism of the government at the time when war with France seemed possible and Adams' re-election was unsure.

The Act punished the "writing, printing, uttering and publishing of any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings about the government of the United States with fines and jail." At the time political speech like Lyon's was not considered protected under the first Amendment by the Adams administration.

In all, more than two dozen people, mostly opposition publishers were convicted under this 1798 Sedition Act.

Wow, that's pretty brutal, don't you think? Very anti-democratic.

What about our man, Abraham Lincoln, one of the greatest presidents, certainly, no question about that. Well, there are some issues here.

Following the Bull Run, the Battle of Bull Run, the first battle, the administration turned its attention not only to forging weaponry and raising more troops, they write at HistoryNet, but also to quelling home front newspaper criticism that the President, his Cabinet, and many northern newspaper editors believe was morphing from tolerable dissent, indignation, threatening treason.

The administration began conducting, when it occurred spontaneously, tolerating repressive actions against opposition newspapers. Eventually, the military and the government began punishing editorial opposition to the war itself. Authorities banned pro-peace newspaper from U.S. mails, shut down newspaper offices, confiscated materials. They intimidated, sometimes imprisoned reporters, editors, publishers who sympathize with the south or objected to an armed struggle to restore the Union.

For the first year of the war, Lincoln left no trail of documents attesting any personal conviction that dissenting newspapers ought to be muzzled, but neither did he say anything to control or contradict such efforts when they were undertaken.

He knew what his Secretary of War was doing and he approved of it. The Union Military laid the foundation for press censorship well before Bull Run. Unable to read, much less censor every newspaper published in the country, it acted promptly to control both the source and distribution points of the news.

Wow. You know what that sounds like to me? Biden. Certainly not Trump.

Ever hear of Clement Vallandigham? He was an Ohio congressman. He served in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1858 until 1862. While in Congress, he became a leader of the Copperhead Faction of the antiwar Democrats -- antiwar Democrats in the North were known as Copperheads.

What happened here? He believed that the union had no constitutional right to regulate slavery or to militarily attack the Confederacy -- boy, we have people like that in our country today don't we, Mr. Producer? I think so. Most of them defend Iran, but that's a whole another story.

As such, he opposed every military bill before Congress giving ammunition to his critics who charged him with favoring the Confederacy during the war.

Following the issuance by General Ambrose Burnside, of General Order Number 38, which warned of the consequences of declaring sympathies for the enemy, he denounced the wicked and cruel war by which King Lincoln was crushing out liberty and erecting despotism said the Congressman, so they arrested him.

On May 5, 1863, he was denied the writ of habeas corpus. He was convicted by a military tribunal sentenced to two years in prison and deported into another state from which he moved to Canada, only to come back after the war.

Gee willikers, I don't think Donald Trump has done anything like that.

So what we have here also is the suspension, you see that writ of habeas corpus. Apparently, around 14,000 civilians were arrested by the Lincoln administration and put into jail without the benefit of habeas corpus. It is in the Constitution and can be suspended by Congress, but not by a President.

Now, Lincoln, the problem was Washington, D.C. was surrounded by the enemy. In Virginia, and there were many pro-Confederates in Maryland even though it did not secede. They were cutting telegraph lines and so forth, so he ordered the military go get them, throw them in prison. We do not have enough judges. We do not have enough time. We are in the middle of a war.

So, that is why he did it, but he did it nonetheless and here is his proclamation, right here, when he issued Proclamation 104: Now I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States do hereby proclaim and make known to all who it may concern that the privilege of that writ of habeas corpus is suspended throughout the United States -- and it goes on and on and on.

There was a judge in a case that was brought before him who said it was unconstitutional. His name was Roger Taney, the same judge who wrote the Dred Scott decision.

Taney and Lincoln hated each other's guts, because Taney wrote that notorious decision. But he also wrote an opinion that the President did not have the power on his own to suspend habeas corpus. He was right about that. Congress would later pass the suspension, but still, many people were put in prison.

I do not think Donald Trump has ever done that, has he?

Woodrow Wilson, the great progressive aka American Marxist. The free-speech center, the Sedition Act of 1918, which amended the Espionage Act of 1917. You may have heard of the Espionage Act that they tried to use against Donald Trump. More about that in a second.

Under the Act, it was illegal to incite disloyalty within the military, use in speech or written form any language that was disloyal to the government, the Constitution, the military, the flag. He wanted to get into World War I, he got us into World War I, and he would accept no criticism.

He was throwing people into prison by the thousands, including socialists who were running against like Debs and others.

Advocate strikes on the labor production, promote principles that were in violation of the Act or support countries of war with the United States, the targets of prosecution under the Sedition Act were typically individuals who opposed the war effort including pacifists, anarchists, socialists. Violations of the Act could lead to as much as 20 years in prison and people were thrown in prison for 20 years.

A fine of $10,000.00, more than 2,000 cases were filed by the government under the Espionage Act and Sedition Act, of these, more than 1,000 wound up convicted.

The Supreme Court upheld the convictions of many of the individuals prosecuted under the Sedition Act.

Gee willikers, the great Woodrow Wilson, but there is more. This is some history. Woodrow Wilson tried to reverse a Black American progress. I am doing this in context of these attacks, endless attacks on Donald Trump, which are so out of line, so pathetic.

They come from "National Review," they come from MSNBC, they come from "The Dispatch." They comes from God knows where, they are just outrageous.

During Wilson's presidency, he allowed his Cabinet to segregate the Treasury. He resegregated them. You see, the federal government as well as the military, they were desegregated under Taft and under Theodore Roosevelt. Then, in comes Woodrow Wilson, the great progressive.

So, they segregated the Treasury, the Post Office, the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, the Navy, the Interior, the Marine Hospital, the War Department, the Government Printing Office. This meant creating separate offices, lunch rooms, bathrooms, other facilities for White and Black workers. It also meant dismissing Black supervisors, cutting off Black employees' access to promotions, better paying jobs and reserving those jobs for White people.

In fact, when you now apply for a job in the Civil Service in the federal government, you have to send a photo. Gee, I wonder why.

That's right. Woodrow Wilson was big on the Klan. He supported the Confederacy. First great progressive president.

I don't think Donald Trump has ever done that.

Let's move onto the next great Democratic president, shall we?

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, people on the left think he is the greatest President. Bernie sanders loves him, slobbers all over his portraits. It is an amazing thing, but what did FDR try to do? Number one, he tried to pack the Supreme Court of the United States. He intimidated them, tried to threaten them. It was his own party in Congress that stopped him. But he would wind up getting eight out of nine new appointees, completely shift the nature of our country.

He wanted to expand the court to 15, and he wanted to appoint the new six.

Anti-Lynching Act was passed in 1940, bipartisan. There were constant efforts to get this. He said, I am sympathetic to this but I am not going to sign it because he did not want to lose support in the South. So in 1940, he did not sign the Anti-Lynching Act, Joe Lewis campaigned against him saying he did not sign the Act, I am campaigning against him. I could never support a man who would do something like that.

FDR had a lot of racist instincts. He wrote about it all the time. Jewish refugees: As the 1930s progressed and Hitler became more and more prominent, then of course, we had the Holocaust that was covered up by "The New York Times" and largely by FDR as well, he refused to allow people who had escaped from the Third Reich or escape Europe to come into the United States in any significant numbers.

In fact, he turned around the St. Louis, an ocean liner that had come to the United States, about a third of its passengers perished in the Holocaust. It wasn't until 1944 that he really spoke out against it and he created the War Refugee Board to aid civilian victims of Nazi persecution.

Of course, he was a little late, wasn't he? But that was okay by him. Again, this is from history.

What else did he do? He held onto office for four terms. Every President since Washington set the precedent, it was two terms and out, but not for FDR, it was four terms, and in the last term he ran, he is dying and he didn't much care, he still wanted to be President of the United States.

How about the internment of 120,000 Japanese Americans and of Japanese descent? They lost their homes. They lost their businesses they were abused like hell in these internment camps, the so-called Prisoner of War Camps, if you will. He had issued a military order, it was 9066, and of course, this was upheld by his Supreme Court when he did it in 1942.

And so, it was not until Ronald Reagan who formally apologized to the families and they remitted I think $20,000.00 to each family. By the way, the leftists say see that? What about slavery? Hello? He remitted moneys to people who would actually been sent to these internment camps, not two generations later, to the actual people who suffered as a result of that.

This is the great Franklin Roosevelt. What else did Franklin Roosevelt do that Donald Trump would never do? FDR used the IRS to audit and harass his political opponents, as well as newspaper publishers who opposed him. Did you know that, Big Media?

He went after Andrew Mellon, and Huey Long, and William Randolph Hearts and Frank Gannett, and Mo Annenberg and scores of others. FDR stopped an 18- month IRS investigation into a little-known congressman from Texas, but who was down the line in support of him.

You may have heard of him, Lyndon Johnson, because Johnson was a loyal supporter.

How about Dwight Eisenhower? You know, the Democrats and the RINOs always liked Dwight Eisenhower. I don't have any great opposition to Dwight Eisenhower. What did he do?

It was called Operation Wetback, don't blame me. I didn't come up with that phrase. It is a racist phrase. I don't use it, they used it.

And not only did Eisenhower use it, Cesar Chavez used it. Other Democrats and leftists and the labor unions used it because back then, they deemed illegal immigration as undermining the Farm Labor Movement.

But, in any event, Operation Wetback as pointed out by history was the biggest mass deportation of undocumented workers that is illegal aliens in the United States' history. As many as 1.3 million people may have been swept up in Eisenhower's campaign, they write, which was designed to root out undocumented Mexicans from American society.

The short-lived operation, military style tactics to remove Mexican immigrants, some of them American citizens from the U.S. Though millions of Mexicans had legally entered the country through joint immigration programs in the first half of the 20th Century, Operation Wetback was designed to send the back to Mexico.

Wow. Where were all the judges back then?

I don't know. We did not have all of these aggressive judges, did we?

So, let's just stop for a second. Adams, Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, Eisenhower, I could have could picked 10 other presidents. They did things Donald Trump has never done and would never dream of doing even in the deportation efforts of Eisenhower.

Donald Trump is going about it, believe me, much more humanely than they did in the 1950s. No, I know this sounds counterintuitive given the press propaganda, but it is true.

What about the Kennedys? What about Camelot? Camelot for crying out loud. The Kennedys were notorious in using the IRS and the FBI against their political opponents. They spied on Martin Luther King, broke into his home and office and bugged his phones. They monitored his every move.

John Kennedy had the IRS pull tax return information on conservative groups, leaked them to the press including Ben Bradley of "The Washington Post." Wow.

J. Paul Ghetty, David Ludwig, billionaires -- they were targeted among others. Widespread domestic espionage only got worse hundred Lyndon Johnson who used the IRS, the FBI, and the CIA. He had Barry Goldwater's 1964 campaign bugged, his campaign claimed. His campaign headquarters, they used the CIA to monitor and gather information on the campaign. They leaked the information to the press. They tried to smear one of his senior campaign advisers who was gay.

Johnson bugged in the folds of his Vice President Hubert Humphrey in 1968 because he wanted to know if he is criticizing his Vietnam War policy. He also sent the FBI attend the Democratic Convention in Atlantic City, sent 30 FBI agents to monitor the Civil Rights leaders who attended including King, and Robert Kennedy, who he was very jealous.

The agencies were used through his presidency to monitor conservative groups, Civil Rights activities and many individuals.

Then, we have Barack -- Benito Obama as I refer to Obama. He had the worst record in dealing with the press of any president in modern history. The Cato Institute, in addition to his vendetta against whistleblowers, Obama's administration waged a robust campaign to harass and intimidate journalists, even mainstream journalists.

He utilized leaked material. May 2013, the Justice Department seized the records of phone lines that The Associated Press employees used. AP confirmed that the records were from personal home and cell phones of reporters and editors, as well as phones the AP used in the press quarters of the House of Representatives.

Oh, but Trump told the AP, get your own chair until you use the Gulf of America. Wow. We've never seen anything like this since Hitler.

Let's see: The administration's contempt for basic requirements of due process was alarming. A coalition of 50 news organizations including ABC, CNN, "The New York Times," "The Washington Post" and so forth and so on, submitted a letter of protest to Attorney General Eric Holder for the raid. They rated the AP. They went after Rosen who worked for Fox at the time. They went after his parents' phones at the time.

They went after James Risen, a reporter for "The New York Times." And I could go on and on, and that was Obama.

And I did not even mention targeting hundreds of Tea Party groups, pro- Israel groups, and other conservative groups with the IRS, he did not know a thing about it, of course. They never do.

But the worst example maybe in history, but certainly modern history was the Biden regime in what they tried to do to Donald Trump and this country in the election process.

They used the Department of Justice, Biden's Attorney General. They used the FBI, SWAT teams; in my view, an unconstitutional general warrant, they appointed an unconstitutionally special counsel. They brought in phony charges in Washington, D.C., inapplicable statutes, phony charges in Florida, phony document charges in Florida, phony charges in Georgia, phony charges in New York where the Department of Justice could have stepped in and stopped it, but was all for it.

They violated his due process, equal protection, free-speech rights. They violated the Department of Justice's past policies. We had kangaroo courts, we had partisan prosecutors, partisan judges except for Florida.

Wow. And Donald Trump is a dictator in America. No, he is not. Donald Trump is a constitutionally elected President who believes in America, the Constitution and the legal system, but he is not going to roll over to the reprobates and the Democratic Party, RINOs and others in the media. He is not going to roll over, so he pushes back.

They hate him, not because he is a dictator, but because he is a small "r" republican. Meaning, he is trying to reduce the size of their bureaucracy, their army of bureaucrats, their massive regulations that are strangling the American people and American business.

He is trying to secure the border to protect the American people from drugs and terrorists and criminal gangs. He supports the police against the criminal. He is trying to rebuild the economy that has been hollowed out by decades of mismanagement by Congress.

Yes, I know why they hate him. He is not a dictator. No, he is a liberator.

I will be right back.

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LEVIN: Welcome back, America.

We are here with one of my favorite people, Charles Payne, "Making Money" host on Fox Business Network and also, his great book "UnbreakableInvestor.com" -- "UnbreakableInvestor.com."

Charles Payne, my take on what Donald Trump is doing is this.

We do not have a global free market. I believe in free markets. I've always believed in free markets. That said, should Donald Trump accomplish what he is trying to accomplish? All of the negotiations with almost 80 countries, to break out their barriers, to lower their tariffs and so forth. Will he not have created the most free market global economy ever?

CHARLES PAYNE, FOX BUSINESS NETWORK ANCHOR: Ever. That is the irony of all of this because there are a lot of folks who are free marketers, right, or free marketeers and they reject out of hand what Donald Trump is trying to achieve, and yet, it's one thing for you to be a free trader, but if the person you're transacting with is not, if they are cheating you, then, the system does not work

And you can stay on principle and can stand on a soapbox and say this is not how it is done, you know, we believe in free trade, but there is a fair element to it. There is a smart element to it that has eroded over time to the point where it has crushed our economy and it is shifting wealth.

You know, people who are apologists for the status quo say, well, we are 24 percent of the world's GDP and only four percent of the population. I say to that, yes, we used to beat 40 percent of the world's GDP.

We do not let these things start to dwindle to the point of no return, I think honestly, this is the last chance we've got to right the ship.

LEVIN: I agree that a hundred percent, but they are not coming here, these other countries to discuss how to raise tariffs, they are coming here to discuss how to lower tariffs, ours and theirs.

And so, the point is, if we lower -- they lower their tariffs and then we lower our tariffs, he calls it reciprocity. You have a much fairer playing field and much more free economic activity taking place.

I mean, I think this is so logical. People are missing it. You are not missing it. But he is saying, enough at the big tariffs that are being applied against us.

Have you noticed by the way, Charles Payne, the Democrats never talk about the tariffs of the other countries, I mentioned this last week, that they are applying against us. Have you noticed that?

PAYNE: Yes. No, it really is -- it really is unfortunate to be honest with you that everything has to be politics instead of every now and then galvanizing over something to your point, the word that you just said -- that term, it is commonsense.

And honestly, whoever the leaders were of the Democrat and Republican Parties outside of Donald Trump on the GOP side said, we pledge that whoever the next president is will keep tariffs elevated, unless these other countries come to the table, but the biggest noise we would hear in this country right now are saws and cranes and workers marching to new building plants and manufacturing plants, and so, to make it a political thing, an anti-Trump thing it is just -- it is a squandered opportunity.

And the irony is we know that Democrats have talked about tariffs in the past. We see them on videotape, a lot of them in leadership today voicing support for them in the past. Here's the ironic thing when a Democrat says it is a tax, I mean, I thought you wanted to tax corporate America.

By the way, Trump 1.0 tariffs carried over into Biden and not only did Biden keep them, he raised some of them. Coming into this year, they raised a combined $264 billion, three-quarters of it under Joe Biden.

So, the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party is not helping right now.

LEVIN: And it is a funny, they oppose his pro-growth agenda, too, which is tax cuts. What is the Democrat economic policy?

To them, we want bigger government, more debts, more bureaucrats, more regulations, more departments, more centralization. which really is not an economic policy, it's a despotic policy.

PAYNE: Right.

LEVIN: But isn't that it really?

PAYNE: The bottom line is they've never -- economics has nothing to do with the Democratic agenda. They know that the American people want to hear something and so they put out a facade. Their entire identity is about complete control if they can have it over our lives, over what we can accept, over our norms, over everything.

They want to become first and foremost, before our religious institutions, before our families, they believe that Big Government knows best and that they should dominate every facet of our lives. They don't have a real true economic agenda at all, other than that they control the purse strings completely.

LEVIN: They always talk about tax cuts for billionaires. When we come back, I want to pursue this. You know, I've invited some of their biggest mouths on my program to debate them individually or collectively. We hear crickets from them.

Tax cuts for billionaires: Let's pursue this and we come back.

We will be right back.

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New charges tonight in the attack on the Pennsylvania Governor's home. Police say a man was arrested for an early morning fire that damaged the home of Josh Shapiro. Shapiro, his family, and another family escaped.

The fire was set in a room where the families were celebrating Passover last night. No one was hurt.

Tonight, a 38-year-old man from Harrisburg is facing charges of attempted murder, terrorism, and attempted arson.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio says that U.S. sent 10 gang members to El Salvador this weekend. Then men come from two gangs including MS-13 and Tren de Aragua.

The Trump administration has been sending detainees to El Salvador since last month. Mr. Trump is scheduled to be meet with El Salvador's President in Washington tomorrow.

I am Alicia Acuna, now back to LIFE, LIBERTY & LEVIN.

LEVIN: Welcome back, America.

We are here with our friend, Charles Payne.

Charles Payne, number one, why would Republicans want tax cuts for billionaires? Is that a real vote-getter? Number two, why would they want to destroy Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid? Is at a real vote- getter? Is this the best the Democrats can do? Half a century of the same propaganda.

President Trump is proposing tax cuts across the board, additional tax cuts for companies that stay in America, grow in America or come to America.

He is talking about blue-collar workers, average workers when it comes to tips and overtime, Social Security recipients and so forth and so on. Do you think their BS, their propaganda is going to stick?

PAYNE: I do not think it is going to stick, but they have laid it on thick.

I've been looking at the data on these articles, news articles on Trump's economic agenda. Never ever, ever have we seen this sort of a push by the media. It's more than the global financial crisis, more than 9/11, more than any other financial calamity in the last 50 years, just fractionally below COVID.

Earlier in the week, they came, the University of Michigan Sentiment Report, and a part of that, they asked unsolicited or just sort of like, what are you hearing about the economy and economic policy? Sixty percent say they've heard something negative about Trump's economic policy.

I think the highest before that for any President might've been nine percent. I mean, this is how lopsided it has been. This has been the ultimate effort to discredit a President out the gate that has is ever occurred, ever, ever occurred, and still, people in the heartland, what we are seeing from the hard data, people are spending money, there is no inflation problems, and people are going about their lives.

They are obviously concerned because every time they turn on the T.V. or whatever they listen to, there is fear mongering, but they still support this President.

LEVIN: The Democrats want the economy to tank, don't they? They want it to tank so they can have more Big Government, more FDR like programs, win the midterm elections, trash Trump. For them it's all about politics, the growth of government not the American people, the power of the Democratic Party. So they really believe, it's in their best interest for this economy to tank, don't they?

PAYNE: Absolutely, 100 percent, because if this works we are talking another McKinley like era. After McKinley, Republicans ruled the White House for 36 out of 40 years. And only infighting caused them for not ruling it for the next 40 years.

So, talking about a Golden Era. You know, this Golden Age for America, it starts now, but the idea is that this is just the foundation for it.

The American public, they are convinced in two to four years, over the next two to four years that this is working, will probably keep reelecting Republicans to keep the program going.

LEVIN: And you know, I love the way they keep talking about the Great Depression of the 1930s, when you look at the history and I talked about this last night. Donald Trump has a pro-growth agenda. FDR had a socialist agenda. They are totally different.

And so, what he is doing is not the FDR model. What he is doing is the Donald Trump model, correct?

PAYNE: One hundred percent, completely different, and of course, they start with Smoot-Hawley, but they disregard that tariffs were an integral part of the roaring 20s. Tariffs were an integral part of when America surpassed Great Britain to become the preeminent economy in the world, and also when we are talking about financial assets and turning things around, the New Deal did nothing for the Great Depression, it helped the stock market because it put more money into the market, and that's again where the American public knows these are two distinct different things.

Yes, I'm worried about my 401(k), but Wall Street and Main Street, they are not always on the same lens, right? They are not always -- the news that moves one, one way, moves the other the other way. And so, right now, instead of Big Government coming to the rescue, Donald Trump is saying, let's rejigger everything to rugged individualism because if you want to know when we lost it, we lost it during the Great Depression. We lost it before 1913 with income taxes, in 1913 before the Federal Reserve.

Those are all part of the process that took us away from a nation of rugged individualism, can-doism to one overly dependent on government, and this is a moment right now that will reverberate far beyond Donald Trump's years in the office.

LEVIN: Great points. Charles Payne, I want to thank you. God bless you, my friend.

PAYNE: Thanks a lot. You too.

LEVIN: We will be right back.

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LEVIN: Welcome back, America.

Something a little different here. We are here with Douglas Deaton, retired police lieutenant from the Plano Police Department, RDR Investigations founder.

And I started to do some reading about something that is taking place in Plano, and it looks like something that has been taking place throughout Europe, particularly in France and particularly around Paris, something called Epic City.

So, I wanted to ask you, sir, what is Epic City?

DOUGLAS DEATON, RETIRED POLICE LIEUTENANT FROM PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT, RDR INVESTIGATIONS FOUNDER It is great to be here, Mark.

EPIC City -- keep in mind that EPIC is an acronym for East Plano Islamic Center which already exists. There's about 74 homes right there next to a massive mosque in East Plano.

But EPIC City is an expansion of the existing platform. EPIC City would be about 400 acres with approximately 1,000 homes, again a massive mosque, mixed use development and the big fear that many people have is that it is actually an exclusionary zone. It is on an autonomous exclusionary zone out in an unincorporated area of the county, and most people believe, based on their promotional materials that it would be for Muslim only members, a Muslim only residence, and eventually would be sort of a reflection of the existing thing that we have in East Plano.

LEVIN: Well, a couple of things here. My reading is that it would use exclusively Sharia law, not Texas law, not local law, not American law. Is that what you're hearing, too?

DEATON: Well, that is what I am hearing. There is a lot of talk about that, of course and they deny that. They deny that publicly and the deny it through their attorney. However, I believe any reasonable person who is seeing the promotional materials might think otherwise, especially because on their current footprint, they have an office that is devoted to financing that it is Sharia compliant, the UIF Corporation exists. It has an office at the current East Plano Islamic Center.

And, keep in mind that one of their past President is the co-founder of the Yaqeen Institute for Islamic Research and that organization is a very, very serious about making sure that Sharia has a seat at the table when it comes to reimagining Islam in the West, so these fears are certainly founded.

LEVIN: Reimaging Islam in the West, does that mean taking much of west part out of it? That this is a fairly radical entity with a fairly radical leader, is that correct?

DEATON: Well, they would deny that of course, but again I think that most Americans who read the material that is available on their website, on the Yaqeen Institute's website as well as on the EPIC website might come to a very different conclusion.

I think, there's certainly enough there to be concerned about.

LEVIN: Now tell us, there is a building that they have built or are building that is right next to the Plano Police Department, is that correct? Now, what does that mean?

DEATON: It is actually right next to the Plano Police Academy which is on the east side of Plano. I was the training sergeant for the Plano Police Department at one time, and I worked there at the Academy. It's a large facility.

And I remember when that mosque was being built, when that first neighborhood, the East Plano Islamic Center was under development, and the very first house they completed was a large structure that was literally just a few feet from the Police Academy property. It resembles a fortress more than it resembles a single-family residence.

Now, I spent a lot of time on the SWAT team and I spent a lot of time scouting operational activities out there, and I could not help but notice, I and many other police officers could not help but notice that that house has a very large second-story platform that overlooks the secured access parking lot where the Plano Police Department stored all of its bomb disposal equipment.

And that would obviously raise questions for any rational and reasonable person. Why would the very first building they put up in that neighborhood be a massive structure overlooking the bomb equipment? They built that before they built the mosque. And the owner of that house was the president of the East Plano Islamic Center, and he was also the co-founder of the Yaqeen Institute, which is indisputably a pro-Sharia organization.

LEVIN: When we come back, Detective, to the extent that you know who is funding this? I mean, do we know who is funding it? Because this is not the kind of thing you can do just by passing around a basket and asking people to contribute a dollar two.

We will be right back.

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LEVIN: Welcome back, America.

We are here with Douglas Deaton, retired police lieutenant, Plano Police Department, RDR Investigations founder.

So, Douglas Deaton, do you know who is funding all of hits activity? And there is a lot here, I mean, what is proposed is the 402-acre community, and that is not cheap land right next to Plano, Texas. Plano is a bustling suburb outside of Dallas where there are significant assets.

They want to build townhomes, single-family homes. They want masjid schools, multiple family apartments, senior living, commercial spaces, parks, fields, courts. This massive mosque and so forth and so on. Where is all of this money coming from?

DEATON: I do not know for sure where the money is coming from, but I do know that the organization which is heading up this project is known as Community Capital Partners, now that is a for-profit entity registered in the state of Texas.

Now, since all of the public controversy, the mosque leadership has attempted to distance themselves from Community Capital Partners claiming it is a completely separate entity and a totally separate project.

But when I looked at the names and addresses of the principals on Community Capital Partners' SEC filings, what I found is that their principals are literally the same people who are running and in charge of the East Plano Islamic Center.

So, we do not know exactly where the money is coming from, but I am very confident that Governor Abbott's investigators are going to get to the bottom of that.

LEVIN: And so Governor Abbott, this has come to his attention and they have decided to take a look at this as well.

Isn't the problem here, sir, that we really cannot in America have a bunch of sort of these Sharia compliant exclusively as a matter fact, communities dotted throughout America, outside our major cities and so forth? Isn't this sort of what has been taking place in Europe? Again I mentioned, outside of Paris, I mentioned, in France in particular. The complete lack of assimilation, isn't that problematic?

DEATON: Yes, it is a problem This is not about islamophobia, it is not about paranoia. It is about a pattern of behavior. It is about open and public statements of intent that have been expressed some of these organizations.

We've seen it in Europe, and now we are absolutely seeing the same pattern of intent and behavior here in the United States, and it is worth looking into. Again, this is all based on their words and their videos.

For example, Mark, there is a video of their children chanting second and third graders in their school, in East Plano right here in Texas chanting "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" and holding up their hand drawn maps of Palestine in which the country of Israel does not exist.

So, when you couple that with a Sharia-backed finance company that is on site and their efforts to free a convicted terrorist who tried to murder American soldiers and wanted to set off a dirty bomb in New York City, I think that would give any person of any faith some rational concern about what is happening here in Texas.

LEVIN: Yes, it is clear what is happening there, and it is probably happening everywhere now, they're trying to turn the United States into Europe, and they're trying to turn Europe in some respects into the middle east. We need to put our foot down.

Assimilation is the core, not just immigration, but to our country which is diverse. We have Italian communities, Jewish communities, so forth and so on, but they follow American law. They are part of the American culture, and so forth and so on. It's called assimilation.

This is the dis-uniting of America. This is the segregation of America, and this is, in the extremist fundamentalist doctrine and ideology of Islam, a danger to the United States, so I am glad to hear that the Governor is looking into this.

And Douglas Deaton, I want to thank you for the testimony you gave. I want to thank you for coming on the program and helping us understand this.

DEATON: thank you for having on, Mark.

LEVIN: We will be right back.

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LEVIN: Welcome back, America.

First of all, Happy Passover to our Jewish friends and my family, of course. Folks, you cannot have immigration without assimilation. We cannot have Sharia compliant or Sharia exclusive communities building up in our country. This is not France, it is the United States of America.

People don't want to assimilate here, then you don't belong here. It's that simple.

I don't care what your faith is or what your background is, that is the way it works.

We cannot have the Dis-United States of America. People come here to assimilate into our culture, we don't assimilate into theirs.

I'll see you next week on LIFE, LIBERTY & LEVIN.

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